Buried away on the news the other day was a demo supporting the plight of illegal workers in the UK, suggesting that the UK government offer an amnesty and in short just give up on border controls, let them all stay and how in fact they are a good thing for the UK.
The Roman Catholic Church, moslem Immans, unwashed socialist worker and big issue sellers in fact all the usual rent a mob suspects and others are supporting a "strangers into citizens" campaign. Yes folks its hug an illegal migrant time again folks, think I shall pass on that. Dont fancy catching TB or AIDS if its all the same to you.
The proposal is that "undocumented migrants" - the new all inclusive phrase for illegal migrants- who have been living (illegally) in Britain for four years should be allowed to earn citizenship over a further two year period during which they would be allowed to work, provided that they paid taxes and had no criminal convictions.The intention is to achieve a balance between a humane approach and "an element of deterrence" to illegal migration. The problem here is that many of them have criminal convictions back in their home nations, others resort to a life of crime over here. Once we move this barrier we will only increase the demands of other illegal migrants and encourage further migration into the UK.
After all if you reward crime you just encourage others to break the law.
The Numbers
A Home Office commissioned study, published in June 2005, gave a central estimate of 430,000. However, it was based on the 2001 census. A more up-to-date figure would be between ½ million and ¾ million. Maybe even in the millions, even John Reid is unable to supply a detailed figure(no great suprise that) or even catch the ones who have been let out of prison in error.
Other Implications
Once legal, migrants would have the right to bring over their families. They would also be entitled to social housing. This could add ½ million to the housing lists. Plus of course the added strain on schools, more paperwork from every government department that needs to be written in every language on gods Earth, after all we can't insist on them learning English. Add to that the added cost of council tax bills, after all that magic money socialists dole out has to come from someone, unless Polly Toynbee wishes to pay for them all - after all she seems to be paid a fair wedge by The Guardian for her poor facts and constant errors.
Migrants Contribution
Not all illegal migrants pay direct taxes but they tend to do unpopular work for low wages(only and I repeat only because they can not live on benefits - should they have this right they will do so. Lets face it who is going to slog their arse off for £200 a week when they can get more in benefits for the wife and kids and not work?) and thus contribute to the general well-being of the rest of society. However, they also undercut the wages of British workers and help unscrupulous employers to compete unfairly against honest ones. Again government inaction is to blame here, should they enforce the deportation laws and laws against employers employing illegal migrants then the problem would not be so bad as it is.
Another suggestion would be to "encourage" the chavs and other feckless unemployed with constant bad backs who can somehow manage to recover enough to do a few hours work that they don't declare, to leave daytime tv and go out and work for a living. A recent report showed that some 30% of jobs in some areas were going unfilled despite large unemployment amonst the shiftless natives.
Would "regularisation" solve the problem?
Almost certainly not. It has been extensively tried in Italy and Spain where it has simply made the position worse. Over the past twenty years, Italy has granted five amnesties and Spain six. On almost every occasion the number of applications was greater than for the previous amnesty. In the case of Italy the numbers rose from 119,000 in a 1988 amnesty to 700,000 in 2002 while in Spain 44,000 were granted an amnesty in 1985 but in 2005 this had also risen to 700,000.
In Britain, there will always be people from the third world who overstay their visas or arrive clandestinely and who would be willing to work for what is considered here to be a low wage but which would still allow them to send money home. The prospect of what amounts to an amnesty, followed by full access to the welfare state by themselves and their families could only encourage the growth of illegal immigration.
What can be done?
It has been suggested that an amnesty would "save" £4.7 billion. However, this sum is obtained by multiplying an estimate of the number of illegals by the cost of each forced removal (£11,000). Mass removal is, however, neither feasible or proposed.
The government’s policy, announced on 6 March 2007, is to strengthen measures against employers of illegal workers and to tighten access to health and education services. The expectation is that illegal workers will drift home. This could be assisted by a "free exit period" during which illegals returning home would not be prosecuted on departure.
Conclusion
Illegal working will never be completely eliminated while huge wage differentials with the third world persist. However, the proposals of "strangers into citizens" would make matters considerably worse and might well incur the deep resentment of low paid British workers, particularly over housing.
Oh and guess who is behind all this? Polly Toynbee the swivel eye'd moonbat from The Guardian, the same Polly who is rich enough to indulge her socialist dreams without having to worry about the true costs. Man I am sick of wankers like her thinking that ever lazy scrote in the world deserves a life here in the UK.
She(Polly of the swivel eyes) bleats on about how its unfair that they can not get access to doctors/dentists(neither can we in South Wales) and can only get basic services. Well tough as I have paid my taxes to join the club, they have not. If life here is so damn hard they can all fuck off back to bongo bongo(copyright the late Alan Clarke MP) land as soon as possible.
One final bit an getting off track here, how is that a misguided woman who writes a poor bit in the Guardian, read by the musli brigade can somehow hold so much sway over the fucktards that make up our government? Read this site for the facts on swivel eye'd Polly... http://factcheckingpollyanna.blogspot.com/ and of course this well put together bit on swivel eye'd Polly Toynbee by DK: http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2006/03/polly-sucks-gordons-cock.html
Links: http://newportcity.blogspot.com/2006/12/polly-toynbee-new-labour-brown-nose.html
The Roman Catholic Church, moslem Immans, unwashed socialist worker and big issue sellers in fact all the usual rent a mob suspects and others are supporting a "strangers into citizens" campaign. Yes folks its hug an illegal migrant time again folks, think I shall pass on that. Dont fancy catching TB or AIDS if its all the same to you.
The proposal is that "undocumented migrants" - the new all inclusive phrase for illegal migrants- who have been living (illegally) in Britain for four years should be allowed to earn citizenship over a further two year period during which they would be allowed to work, provided that they paid taxes and had no criminal convictions.The intention is to achieve a balance between a humane approach and "an element of deterrence" to illegal migration. The problem here is that many of them have criminal convictions back in their home nations, others resort to a life of crime over here. Once we move this barrier we will only increase the demands of other illegal migrants and encourage further migration into the UK.
After all if you reward crime you just encourage others to break the law.
The Numbers
A Home Office commissioned study, published in June 2005, gave a central estimate of 430,000. However, it was based on the 2001 census. A more up-to-date figure would be between ½ million and ¾ million. Maybe even in the millions, even John Reid is unable to supply a detailed figure(no great suprise that) or even catch the ones who have been let out of prison in error.
Other Implications
Once legal, migrants would have the right to bring over their families. They would also be entitled to social housing. This could add ½ million to the housing lists. Plus of course the added strain on schools, more paperwork from every government department that needs to be written in every language on gods Earth, after all we can't insist on them learning English. Add to that the added cost of council tax bills, after all that magic money socialists dole out has to come from someone, unless Polly Toynbee wishes to pay for them all - after all she seems to be paid a fair wedge by The Guardian for her poor facts and constant errors.
Migrants Contribution
Not all illegal migrants pay direct taxes but they tend to do unpopular work for low wages(only and I repeat only because they can not live on benefits - should they have this right they will do so. Lets face it who is going to slog their arse off for £200 a week when they can get more in benefits for the wife and kids and not work?) and thus contribute to the general well-being of the rest of society. However, they also undercut the wages of British workers and help unscrupulous employers to compete unfairly against honest ones. Again government inaction is to blame here, should they enforce the deportation laws and laws against employers employing illegal migrants then the problem would not be so bad as it is.
Another suggestion would be to "encourage" the chavs and other feckless unemployed with constant bad backs who can somehow manage to recover enough to do a few hours work that they don't declare, to leave daytime tv and go out and work for a living. A recent report showed that some 30% of jobs in some areas were going unfilled despite large unemployment amonst the shiftless natives.
Would "regularisation" solve the problem?
Almost certainly not. It has been extensively tried in Italy and Spain where it has simply made the position worse. Over the past twenty years, Italy has granted five amnesties and Spain six. On almost every occasion the number of applications was greater than for the previous amnesty. In the case of Italy the numbers rose from 119,000 in a 1988 amnesty to 700,000 in 2002 while in Spain 44,000 were granted an amnesty in 1985 but in 2005 this had also risen to 700,000.
In Britain, there will always be people from the third world who overstay their visas or arrive clandestinely and who would be willing to work for what is considered here to be a low wage but which would still allow them to send money home. The prospect of what amounts to an amnesty, followed by full access to the welfare state by themselves and their families could only encourage the growth of illegal immigration.
What can be done?
It has been suggested that an amnesty would "save" £4.7 billion. However, this sum is obtained by multiplying an estimate of the number of illegals by the cost of each forced removal (£11,000). Mass removal is, however, neither feasible or proposed.
The government’s policy, announced on 6 March 2007, is to strengthen measures against employers of illegal workers and to tighten access to health and education services. The expectation is that illegal workers will drift home. This could be assisted by a "free exit period" during which illegals returning home would not be prosecuted on departure.
Conclusion
Illegal working will never be completely eliminated while huge wage differentials with the third world persist. However, the proposals of "strangers into citizens" would make matters considerably worse and might well incur the deep resentment of low paid British workers, particularly over housing.
Oh and guess who is behind all this? Polly Toynbee the swivel eye'd moonbat from The Guardian, the same Polly who is rich enough to indulge her socialist dreams without having to worry about the true costs. Man I am sick of wankers like her thinking that ever lazy scrote in the world deserves a life here in the UK.
She(Polly of the swivel eyes) bleats on about how its unfair that they can not get access to doctors/dentists(neither can we in South Wales) and can only get basic services. Well tough as I have paid my taxes to join the club, they have not. If life here is so damn hard they can all fuck off back to bongo bongo(copyright the late Alan Clarke MP) land as soon as possible.
One final bit an getting off track here, how is that a misguided woman who writes a poor bit in the Guardian, read by the musli brigade can somehow hold so much sway over the fucktards that make up our government? Read this site for the facts on swivel eye'd Polly... http://factcheckingpollyanna.blogspot.com/ and of course this well put together bit on swivel eye'd Polly Toynbee by DK: http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2006/03/polly-sucks-gordons-cock.html
Links: http://newportcity.blogspot.com/2006/12/polly-toynbee-new-labour-brown-nose.html
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Hello mate, I drop by quite a bit to have a read, I dont ever comment anywhere really but just thought I would let you know that the time you spend typing this shit out is apreciated, I am glad you make the effort, your amusing to read and I guess we have a very similar outlook on the world. Take care mate, all the best to you and yours.
No worries mate, I am here to take the piss and have a laugh prodding undocumented workers with a stick.
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